-- i don't think this debate by any means won the election for mitt romney. i mean i think he is going to register a gain in the polls just simply because of all of the negative media associated with the president's performance, but it is going to place a spotlight on the next one. and see now obama has got to go after him. >> stephanie: right. >> and once you get into that situation, then -- then, you know, you can -- it -- it's an all together different thing. it could -- there are some things that could happen that could drastically affect the course of the debate. but now the spotlight is on him -- i'm just hoping joe biden -- the one thing we know that joe biden will show his teeth. i just hope he rips paul ryan to shreds next week. and he likes that. [ laughter ] >> stephanie: but i think you are right, he has been set up perfectly now to do that. maybe the president felt too constrains by -- whether it's being presidential, not making mistakes, you are right, he has to get some of that scrappy challenger that wayne powell showed. >> right. here is -- r